
Whoz your Daddy now?
Seriously , what do you think of Obama's election?
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cool1234 |
OOOOOOOOOObama mamaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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Last Edited By: cool1234 11/05/08 10:54 AM.
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Khalifornian |
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Mr. Cool, If McCain (read MCsame or Mcshame, or "makayn walou" in moroccan darija) was running against the devil, I would have voted for the devil. If he told me that the sun will rise from the east tomorrow, I still would not have believed him. You would think that a guy who spent years as a POW would think twice before considering war again. but not this dude. I guess some people never learn. Having said that, I am glad that Obama made it. He really worked hard and deserved to win. I personally think that his win is an inspiration for millions (or even billions) of people, especially the children. No more conspiracy theories. No more I did not win because of my color, or my name or whatever other excuses. I am now convinced that it's all about achievements. What do you bring to the table? What degree do you have? what business did you run? what medal did you win at the olympics? what are your achievements? That's what must be celebrated. A lot of people celebrate their race, or their good fortune, you know, things they did not have to lift a finger to get. What must be celebrated are things that one goes out there, in the trenches of reality and the bitterness that mankind can dispense, work hard at whatever, and realize and achive great things. Having overcome tremendus odds to become The US president, Obama is now among the people (the achievers) I respect and admire the most, in the same category as Said Aouita, Bill Gates, Mohammed Ali among few others. Those were my two cents a moulay mekki
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Morad Si Mekki: is this mean that you are no longer a republican member? |
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Khalifornian |
Absolutely | ||
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Si Jawad, Yes I am still a republican, but I have been voting non-republican in 2004, 2006 and 2008 elections. I know of a lot of fellow republicans who have
been doing the same and reacting the same. The republican party is based on some pretty solid ideals and values, such as the belief that abortion,
homosexuality, lack of ethics etc... are wrong. To me, these values satisfy my Islamic beliefs, and that is why I joined in the first place. HOWEVER, the far
right and the orthodox christians have hijacked the party and turned it into a tool to achieve objectives that are contradictory to the values I mentioned
above. specifically, the republican party has began to resemble the baath party of Iraq at its zenith. Lies, deceptions, cheating, cover-ups, and so forth, I
think, have damaged the republican party's reputation. It is now composed of people who lie, cheat and break the law, and people who do not mind getting
cheated, being lied to, and seeing the law broken. To answer your question, I take great offense when I am cheated, lied to or part of law breaking. Just
consider, where are the US laws vis-a-vis Guantanamo? wiretaping? Tortiures? invading other countries under false pretexes? and many other violtions that are
too many to list? Everything that America stands for has been thrown down the toilet (hashak a Moulay) by the republican party. Therefore, in an attempt to
preserve America's values, I have voted against the republican party, hopefully, a new administration will restore things back the way they were. Now, I am
still republican, hoping that the republicans will abandon the course they have taken in the last few years, otherwise,I am jumping ship.
And the first thing the republicans must do is kick out sara palin (or "Stalin" if you wish). Maaaan, talk about a major turn off. She tried to be pretty to appeal to men, and feminist to appeal to women. She ended up being neither. And how about that poodle husband of hers. My wife and I were watching one of her speaches. Usually when candidates get done from a speech, they turn back and hug their spouse. In this case, she just walked the other way, got off stage and began hugging others. I felt sorry for the guy as walked after her and tried to work his way through the crowd, just like a little doggy following his master. I don't even know what he does for a living. I think he is just living off her. Thank you and have a great day. mekki |
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Female |
mbark osama | ||
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Hi men from USA, I guess change has come to your country… well, at least there is a change of color in the
White House and that's already a big achievement. What Mbark will achieve in the coming years, is a big question mark. If he and his government can at
least restore the economy and wellfare in the US, he'll be a hero. Now, I'm not very much into politics but I think I have to disagree with Mekki
(sorry Mekki, I like to argue with you)… Did you vote for another party or for none? If for none OK, if for another party "hmmm?". If people believe
in a certain ideology, they should stick with it no matter whoever is behind the scenes. Let's compare it with being a muslim: people stick with the
ideology of Islam even if they disagree with some people representing the ideology. Being Republican doesn't mean you are voting for the people
representing the Party, it means that you vote for the ideology that unites the Party. In all political parties you have the bad apples and the majority of the
Party members are infected by greed once they have tasted the power. Once they're on power, their ideology is negociable. In politics, everything has a
price. Now over here, I believe in socialism and I'll always vote for a party that represents the ideology. The people behind the scene of the socialist
party are sometimes more liberal and the liberal representatives are sometimes more socialist. In politics, I believe that it's not about which
Party/ideology is in charge but it's more about what person is in charge. Here we go back to Mbark who's not Republican but because of his charisma
he's able to inspire a lot of Americans no matter their individual ideology.
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Khalifornian |
Wait a minute!!! | ||
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Female,
I also love to argue with you. And honestly, I missed arguing with you all this time since our last exchange. O well. But to answer your questions, yes, I voted for Obama. You seem to suggest that I must vote republican no matter what. If so, please consider: the republican ideologies have evolved into something that I can no longer support with my vote. Therefore, it is not me who abandoned the republicans, but it is rather the republicans who have abandonned their current and potential pools of supporters. If you go back in the recent history, California used to vote republicans: Reagan got its votes in the 80s'. But California has slipped into the democratic block. It is now very difficult for the republicans to get it back. Just like the state of New York. Last Tuesday, four increadibly republican states have joined the democrats: Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and North Carolina. If the republicans "stay the course", it is only a question of time before Texas will join the other major states and vote blue (democrat). who cares if Wyoming keeps on voting red (republican)? Here is my message to any republican politician running for any elected office: "Just because I am a republican, don't expect me to vote for you when you take me for an idiot. In fact, if you take me for granted and treat me like I am already in your pocket, I will not hesitate to reciprocate and abandon the party altogether." Thanks Female and I hope we can argue more in the future. mekki
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Female |
vote for person | ||
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Hi Mekki,
As i said, as many americans it seems you voted for the people behind the ideology and not for what the republican party initially stands for. I suppose the republicans as well as the democrats have a certain program about their values and what they stand for? To tell you the truth, i don't know the difference between both parties .... i only notice that the democrats from the past and now usually communicate better than the republicans, democrats seem to work on common interest and for lower class while republicans seem to make rich people more richer. You know more? Greets to all, Tima |
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cool1234 |
Thanks all | ||
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Thank you for all your inputs. I didn't know Mekki was a republican, nor Jawad was a democrat. Well, I still got more to learn about you guys.
Female: it will be very challenging to give you a deep view on what is the true difference between the republicans and the democrats. But nonetheless, I will try to summarize it few words . Republicans ( and i don't know why they were called "Right") are considered pro-religion, anti-bureaucracy, pro-military, pro-business and pro-personal responsibility, conservative (fiscally as well as socially). Their approach is very Darwinistic in that the strong shall survive, cream rises to the top, etc. And the weak become Democrats so that they can get handouts from the government. Work hard, obey God and life will be good. In theory, this is a neat way to look at things and in an ideal world, this would be great, but it has a number of flaws... Democrats are considered more liberal. They are usually more educated and open-minded. . . maybe a little more realistic; maybe a little more cynical, depending on how you look at it. Democrats often come from in or around an urban area and have more exposure to the realities of a life for those with diverse backgrounds. They believe that everyone should pay taxes to equalize society. Government should solve all problems and government should be counted on by people who can't take care of themselves. Democrats are smart enough to know that most people don't always make the best decisions for themselves (or society) so their position is that there needs to be more regulation, thus a more structured government. This is kind of along the lines of Hillary Clinton's famous statement that "it takes a village to raise a child." The village, many would say, is the government. The way I see it and many of you living in America will agree with me, there is a ton of hypocrisy and an incredible amount of contradiction in both parties. Both parties are right. And both parties are wrong. Bottom line, as an earlier poster explained, people are going to support the political parties that are known to best serve their own, individual needs. Cheers.
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funny, search it carefully for a hidden
truth.
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Khalifornian |
I agree | ||
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Female, I think Mr. Cool has put forth a great analysis. I could not have said it better myself. Overall, what Morad said depicts a picture of the partisan
landscape here in America. As you become more interested in American politics, you'll discover further details that you can place in perspective in order
to get even more indepth knowledge as to why millions of republicans (never mind me) voted for a democrat this time. America is a very intriguing and sometimes
confusing place.
Thanks and have a wonderful time. mekki |
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